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Millie 11/26/18 08:50 PM

Why did they ruin the series
 
I used to love the show when it first came out. But then they made all kinds of changes. They wrlte off Rita Repulsa and replaced her with that reverse body guy. Rita was a great villian, should never have been replaced!

Also, they got rid of the original Dinozords for lame replacements. And they seemed to be writing off the Green Ranger. Who was the best Ranger.Why did they make so many changes? The show was fine the way it was.

I was surprised to learn that the series was still on the air. But its all different and lame. Not that they could have kept things the same all the way until now. But they could have at least kept things the same for five seasons.

MMPR Forever 11/26/18 08:54 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
The first three seasons were awesome! Then they struggled for years in what I call the fake seasons. Luckly Ninja Steel finally gave us a good season.

KimandTommy 11/26/18 08:55 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
The biggest mistake was breaking Tommy and Kim up and replacing her with Katherine. The new seasons are nothing compared to MMPR though.

MMPR Forever 11/26/18 08:56 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
That evil witch wannabee aways pisses me off!

Rita's Pita 11/26/18 09:00 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
Its funny you should say that because I first thought Katherine was gonna be Zedd and Rita's daughter. And she was gonna become a witch like her mother. I was surprised when she turned out to be just a regular human that Rita captured.

Space Hero 11/26/18 09:09 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
The show really didn't hit its stride until the Space Seasons.

MattEmily 11/26/18 09:16 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
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Originally Posted by Millie (Post 76502)
I used to love the show when it first came out. But then they made all kinds of changes. They wrlte off Rita Repulsa and replaced her with that reverse body guy. Rita was a great villian, should never have been replaced!

Also, they got rid of the original Dinozords for lame replacements. And they seemed to be writing off the Green Ranger. Who was the best Ranger.Why did they make so many changes? The show was fine the way it was.

I was surprised to learn that the series was still on the air. But its all different and lame. Not that they could have kept things the same all the way until now. But they could have at least kept things the same for five seasons.

sadly no they couldn't have. They needed to bring in new zords to sell more toys they couldn't keep on paying Toei and Rainbow Productions in order to produce the same Zyuranger format. About 25 or so monsters (mostly after Cyclopsis was destroyed but before the Green Ranger powers were gone for good at-the-time) had been paid for by Saban Entertainment but they didn't want to keep on footing the bill hence why they had no choice but to do what they did. Using the Dairanger leaders wouldn't have worked out too well and they didn't want to keep on using the Japanese scenes of Rita and her minions since both her and Scorpina had horrible dubbing on top of which they had to shoot more of Goldar anyway and since his Japanese suit deteriorated they had to create a new one for any new scenes.

The Green Ranger lost his powers for a simple fact - there was no footage left for him so it would've just been new footage or recycled footage and who really wants to see recycled footage? additionally they wanted a new Ranger hence why the White Ranger came into play not to mention it gave them an excuse to overpower Tommy on top of the whole thing with Walter, Thuy and Austin quitting over a pay dispute.

Millie 12/02/18 10:23 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
Couldn't they just shoot their own footage? The effects didn't look too expensive.

Captain Codfish 12/02/18 10:26 AM

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Actually its very expensive.

But ironically they did shoot a lot more original footage in season 2 and 3. It was just still easier to go with the Thunderzords over the Dinos. Shooting zord scenes is tough. Especially back then when CGI wasn't a thing.

Maligore 12/02/18 10:28 AM

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They could have done a lot of things if Saban wasn't so cheap. Thats the real reason why they made all those changes. I am surprised then even spent what they did in those seasons.

MMPR Forever 12/02/18 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Codfish (Post 76528)
Actually its very expensive.

But ironically they did shoot a lot more original footage in season 2 and 3. It was just still easier to go with the Thunderzords over the Dinos. Shooting zord scenes is tough. Especially back then when CGI wasn't a thing.

They should have kept going and did MMPR season 4, 5, and 6 instead of the spinoffs.

MMPR Guru 12/02/18 10:31 AM

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Continuing MMPR would have been for the best

The changes in season 2 were actually pretty great though.

White Tiger Fan 12/02/18 10:32 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
Tommy was at his best as White Ranger anyway.

No Green Spandex 12/02/18 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by White Tiger Fan (Post 76532)
Tommy was at his best as White Ranger anyway.

Ugh. Thats when Tommy jumped the shark for me.

Tommy Hater 12/02/18 10:35 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
Tommy jumped the shark when they created his charactsr. Just never should have been on the show to begin with.

KimandTommy 12/02/18 10:37 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
Power Rangers needed Tommy. As well as the love story between Kim and Tommy. Which is why I fell in love with the show in the first place. As well as most fans I would think.

Anyway, MMPR season 4 with Kat as the new main villian would have been awesome! Kimberly would have been brought back to claim her rightful place as Pink of course. But Tommy would have to fight to get her back to make up for spending so much time with Kat.

Zeo Power 12/02/18 10:39 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
Zeo was a great season! No way I'd want to take that away. Tommy and Kat ended up being good together anyway.

Hailey Hartford 12/02/18 01:27 PM

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Katherine had her slip-ups as "good." I honestly believe she was more herself when she was evil. The true reason why the spell lasted so long was due to her jealousy of Kimberly and her crush on Tommy. I also noticed when Tommy was alone with Katherine even while Kimberly was still there he would flirt with Katherine which angered me. It showed he still had an evil streak inside.

I honestly think Jason is better for Kimberly anyway.

As far as the discussion about the show itself, I do think some seasons are just badly written and some are better than are being given credit for.

By far I feel two of the worst seasons IMHO are Turbo(not just because of Justin either) and Wild Force.

Here is an interesting view on the whole Jason and Tommy thing. They represent the "YING VS. YANG" style which I honestly think took me awhile to see. Its why they originally butted heads in a few episodes. Both had leadership qualities. Jason was the squeaky clean Army type who led by example and always did the right thing.

Tommy on the other hand lived for the moment and made decisions without looking at the consequences. Its why he would slip up now and then and make rash decisions. Its what made him easy prey for Rita. Its also why it was never meant to last his relationship with Kimberly. I get that now.

PRangerX 12/03/18 03:55 PM

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I think Kat's jealousy and Tommy crush did influence her behavior. But it wasn't really her fault because the spell took away her ability to control herself. If she wasn't under an evil spell her conscious would have stopped her from acting on her negative feelings.

Tha's is a good way of describing Jason and Tommy. It makes a lot of sense.

Hailey Hartford 12/03/18 07:45 PM

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She proved it she still carried her crush on Tommy even after she broke the spell which also proves her jealous of Kimberly was still there. In one episode of Zeo, she nearly told Tanya about her crush but stopped herself for some reason. I believe this was only because Tommy was upset and not due to any other reason.

MattEmily 12/04/18 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Millie (Post 76527)
Couldn they just shoot their own footage? The effects didn't look too expensive.

Yes they could have but it's not just the effects that would be the problem. They would need to make new suits, build miniature sets for the Giant battles and a whole bunch more.

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Originally Posted by Captain Codfish (Post 76528)
Actually its very expensive.

But ironically they did shoot a lot more original footage in season 2 and 3. It was just still easier to go with the Thunderzords over the Dinos. Shooting zord scenes is tough. Especially back then when CGI wasn't a thing.

I wouldn't say the special effects itself are that expensive it's more producing your own content that's expensive since you need the required suits and props, you need a written script so both sides know how to react when there is supposed to be dialogue, you need time to choreograph all "fights" so there aren't any accidents. You don't want to end up like Thuy or Lightspeed's Alison who both got hurt doing something. Not to mention producing Giant battles is practically next-to-impossible since it takes a whole lot of time due to how hot those zord suits can get.

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Originally Posted by Hailey Hartford (Post 76537)
Katherine had her slip-ups as "good." I honestly believe she was more herself when she was evil. The true reason why the spell lasted so long was due to her jealousy of Kimberly and her crush on Tommy. I also noticed when Tommy was alone with Katherine even while Kimberly was still there he would flirt with Katherine which angered me. It showed he still had an evil streak inside. I honestly think Jason is better for Kimberly anyway.

Here is an interesting view on the whole Jason and Tommy thing. They represent the "YING VS. YANG" style which I honestly think took me awhile to see. Its why they originally butted heads in a few episodes. Both had leadership qualities. Jason was the squeaky clean Army type who led by example and always did the right thing.

Tommy on the other hand lived for the moment and made decisions without looking at the consequences. Its why he would slip up now and then and make rash decisions. Its what made him easy prey for Rita. Its also why it was never meant to last his relationship with Kimberly. I get that now.

I don't believe the Kat stuff that you're posting about however I do believe her crush on Tommy and therefore her jealousy definitely influenced the spell on her the only reason it lasted so long is because whenever she broke out of her spell she was usually by Rita who just put a new spell on her. I do however agree that Kimberly and Tommy were not meant for one another. I don't know who Kimberly is truly meant for but it's definitely not Tommy since she's the one who dumped him.

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Originally Posted by PRangerX (Post 76541)
I think Kat's jealousy and Tommy crush did infulence her behavior. But it wasn't.really her fault because the spell took away her ability to control herself. If she wasn under an evil spell her conscious would have stopped her from acting on her negative feelings.

Thas a good way of describing Jason and Tommy. It makes a lot of sense.

exactly. Her evil spell allowed her to act on her negative feelings and keep in mind jealousy or not her jealousy made her decide to steal the Pink Coin first but if it wasn't for Bulk and Skull's interruption she also would've stolen the Yellow Coin and she had no reason to be jealous of Aisha since Aisha has never shown any romantic interest towards any of her teammates.

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Originally Posted by Hailey Hartford (Post 76542)
She proved it she still carried her crush on Tommy even after she broke the spell which also proves her jealous of Kimberly was still there. In one episode of Zeo, she nearly told Tanya about her crush but stopped herself for some reason. I believe this was only because Tommy was upset and not due to any other reason.

I don't recall her ever being close to telling anyone not even Tanya about her crush. I recall Tommy worrying about asking Kat out on a date yet the guys were like "get real" pretty much implying they suspected she had a crush on Tommy

PRangerX 12/04/18 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MattEmily (Post 76543)
I don't recall her ever being close to telling anyone not even Tanya about her crush. I recall Tommy worrying about asking Kat out on a date yet the guys were like "get real" pretty much implying they suspected she had a crush on Tommy

She is talking about the episode where Kat played waitress for Kat and Hannah. Tanya told her how nice she was. And Kat was about to comment how stupid she was for not taking the chance to go after Tommy...But stopped herself.

The episode with Tommy trying to ask Kat on a date was much later in Zeo's run. So we can presume the rest of the team has come to realize Kat is crazy about Tommy.

MattEmily 12/06/18 08:33 PM

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who's Hannah?

PRangerX 12/09/18 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MattEmily (Post 76546)
who's Hannah?

I meant Heather lol

Earth Ranger 12/09/18 11:54 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
I liked season 1 too but I think the show actually started to find its identity with Season 2. It really started doing more of its own thing. It felt like more of its own show and less Sentai on. I feel the franchise actually took a step back when they went back to being too Sentai Heavy. Space and Galaxy did remedy this and some of the early Disney Seasons. The Chip Disney years have been better then some of the heavily Sentai Seasons.

Massive Ego 12/09/18 11:58 AM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
They ruined the series when Disney gave us that shit known as Ninja Storm that started all the crap that even Saban couldn't save.

MMPR Forever 12/09/18 05:05 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
MMPR's Tommy would never have cheated on Kimberly with Heather. But the idea Kimberly wrote Tommy some Dear John note was ridiculous.

I am just glad Kat and Tommy didn't get together in MMPR. Which means it never happened. I only wish we got to see Kimberly in the Ninja Steel team up.

Dino Blast 12/09/18 05:11 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
They didn't ruin anything. Power Rangers has always been a toy commercial. They had to sell the new toys. Did you honestly think they were gonna keep things the same? The MMPR season 1 formula couldn't have lasted much longer. And Season 2 was one of the best years for the series.

Also the idea some people have about seasons not counting is laughable. I am sorry but that just doesn't make sense.

Zarius 09/20/19 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MMPR Forever (Post 76564)
I am just glad Kat and Tommy didn't get together in MMPR.

So you didn't watch Zeo's "A Season To Remember" which clearly pointed out that they did?:rolling:

Or read "Soul of the Dragon" which pretty much did the same thing?

Maverick Ranger 04/30/20 05:19 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
They couldn't realistically keep the series the same from season 1. Not when they were at the mercy of Sentai Footage. Some seasons are better then others. But I wouldn't say they ruined the seroes. Certainly not all the way back to season 2.

No Green Spandex 05/01/20 10:33 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
The show got much better once Tommy left. Although season 1 Tommy was actually great.

MMPR Forever 05/11/20 05:26 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
They ruined the series when there ended MMPR. They didn't have a good season again until Ninja Steel..

No Green Spandex 05/11/20 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MMPR Forever (Post 76922)
They ruined the series when there ended MMPR. They didn't have a good season again until Ninja Steel..

The show went 15 years plus with no good seasons? I disagree.

Alyssa's Sensei 05/12/20 02:28 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
The idea they ruined the series by making changes doesn't make any sense. They couldne just use the same old zords and powers forever.

Dino Blaze 05/16/20 09:35 AM

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The series got good again with DinoThunder. Dino Charge was okay, not as good as DT though.

Goldar's Revenge 05/16/20 09:44 PM

Re: Why did they ruin the series
 
I loved the inventiveness of MMPR season 2 and 3 but it wasn't going to last forever. Zeo was an attempt to give the show fresh legs once the fad ended. It didn't work but PR was destined to change from season to season at some point. It was just too expensive not to change the themes every season.

The idea everything after season 1 was bad, seems silly to me. It was fine for what it was. But outside of the Green Ranger saga, it doesn't hold a candle to season 2 or 3. Some seasons maybe have had better writing...But MMPR seasons 2 and 3 were PR's peak of creativeness. It was a perfect storm that can't be recreated.

Hexagon Ranger 05/18/20 09:02 PM

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We had a lot of great moments after season 1. The first several seasons were very interconnected and continuity heavy...If that is what you like.

Kimberly Cares 05/18/20 09:03 PM

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I think MMPR was great! Zeo was pretty good too. Turbo got a little boring though.


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